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hey everybody it's uh bryce abel\h
and ross coldheart here with\h\h

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i would like to say a very special edition of\h
need to know but i don't even know if it's an\h\h

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addition of need to know ross i mean what do\h
you what's your take on that i think it should\h\h

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be made i mean you know we're talking about beer\h
and and that's as people say beer makes men happy\h\h

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so i think um but let's just say that this\h
is a very special episode of nick you know\h\h

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we're celebrating the fact that we've got\h
two uh colleagues join us from joining us\h\h

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from the republic of ireland who who have\h
been absolutely hearty and helping to promote\h\h

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our new podcast and um we want to say thank\h
you to them by doing what uh happy people\h\h

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do and sharing a hearty ale we should explain\h
two things right now why we're doing this and\h\h

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and secondly i believe that's rich johnson\h
our producer just bought them there not united

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we are really all over this is great so just so\h
everyone understands we got this crazy idea people\h\h

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kept saying you know i'd like to have a beer with\h
uh ross and bryce so we thought well uh we can do\h\h

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that virtually um and so we sort of had a little\h
contest uh people would tweet and whoever had\h\h

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the most you know retweets and all that well we\h
got a winner and uh we said we would have beer\h\h

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uh with these people and the people that we're\h
having beer beers with are as you said in ireland\h\h

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and there they are now in the blue shirt is rob\h
sheridan and with the headphones is karen corcoran\h\h

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and guys congratula and rob you were the guy\h
that won uh and of course kieran is your plus one\h\h

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for tonight so uh congratulations uh thank you\h
thank you it wasn't uh probably the best run\h\h

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uh contest in the history of contests uh\h
but but listen uh i think we all need to\h\h

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start by declaring uh our drink of the day who\h
wants to go first yep well i'm on the guinness

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that makes good sense so rob what about yourself\h
well i'm a rugby fan so i have to say true so\h\h

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i'm on the high no behind again oh my goodness\h
not an irish isn't that very interesting that's\h\h

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very cool on the west ring don't worry i'll\h
talk to him later i'll talk to mark and myself

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this is a james squire pale ale james squire was\h
australia's first beer maker he was a convict who\h\h

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was brought out to the colonies for stealing\h
and uh he he managed to only believe it or not\h\h

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only get 150 lashes for stealing because he he\h
brewed two kegs of beer for the magistrate so um\h\h

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this is a tribute to what makes australians\h
happy is that the first beer maker in the colony\h\h

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you know ross it's your sense your impeccable\h
sense of history that makes it so memorable to\h\h

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be partnered with you on this thing so who's the\h
conflict was the irish um uh well is it squire's\h\h

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an irish name i don't know if it is actually i\h
don't think he is i think he was english okay\h\h

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yeah not everybody not everybody who was a convict\h
in australia it ended up being irish but um you've\h\h

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heard that from ross ross thank you for saying\h
that thank you good point rich what are you\h\h

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drinking in vegas i tragically ran out of beer the\h
other day when we made a little spicy asian food\h\h

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so i had to go deep in the thing and i found\h
something my daughter gave me about 15 years\h\h

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ago during some study in dublin irish whiskey in a\h
sock irish whiskey in a sock yeah i have a feeling\h\h

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it's probably an airport impulse buy on her party\h
but i'm headed all this time and we're gonna you\h\h

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know i've poured out a little bit and uh i'll\h
be here in spirit yes literally you're you're in\h\h

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the you're in the uh ntk bar anyway and it's it's\h
good you know um i know i'm going to get made fun\h\h

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of for my choice so i'm going to preface it before\h
i reveal it all right because we need we need all\h\h

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the suspense and drama we can get in this thing um\h
a few like a month ago i think i wrote an article\h\h

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for the debrief about what an alien intelligence\h
ai might know about us and i came to the\h\h

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conclusion that they could suck up all our digital\h
signals and they would know everything about us\h\h

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uh that was known i mean they could have uh\h
every internet tweet that was ever done and every\h\h

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text that was ever sent and and every article\h
that was ever written in every book and they'd\h\h

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have everything and so they would know that when\h
it that that people on earth humans like to drink\h\h

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a beverage that intoxicates them sometimes or just\h
makes them feel good but they would know the most\h\h

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popular beer in the entire world is oh my god now\h
i'm not saying i'm not saying this is my favorite\h\h

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and only beer but i am saying that bud light in\h
america has 17 percent of all beer drinking so\h\h

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if there are any aliens out there\h
intercepting this signal here's to you guys\h\h

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surgically not 17 alcohol by volume by like\h
0.5 right so i think that makes it the top\h\h

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selling beer in the world i'm not sure but but\h
it's certainly one of them and um okay now you\h\h

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can make fun of me okay we have a description\h
in ireland of bud light we call it bud water

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i want to raise a toast to rob for being\h
the the best promoter of need to know\h\h

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and for for hawking our shingle around the planet\h
on his social media so i switched it to you rob

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and we're staying up long\h
past uh irish closing time\h\h

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you know 1am where you are it's 5\h
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what are you drinking that beer at 10 am\h
ross is that it i i am i do a lot of bad\h\h

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things which as i understand it is kind of late\h
in the day for you to get started um i know i'm\h\h

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conforming to an australian stereotype basically\h
you know drinking here as soon as i wake up yeah\h\h

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so we have early houses in ireland so we got an\h
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lock in so to speak so a locking will be three\h
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we're not too far behind you that's not possible\h
that's true yeah you're having a cure this morning\h\h

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you know karen a few years ago i went to um\h
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the um brewery where guinness is made and\h
they were kind enough to give my uh let's see\h\h

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um my 12 year old a beer wow which i uh which he\h
appreciated more than i did at the time i i have\h\h

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to say uh but it was a great beer it is a great\h
world beer and it's it's uh it's popular as it is\h\h

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for very good reason it's it's yeah it's lovely it\h
is lovely yeah and i have to tell you uh i wanted\h\h

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to show you something gentlemen um this is what\h
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the rolling stones literally\h
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you guys know slain castle yeah absolutely yeah\h
it was it was pretty crazy because we went there\h\h

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it was raining and it was muddy and there were\h
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was over i felt like i was walking out with\h
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because we were just as a mass exiting\h
and um it was a great night and um and\h\h

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uh no one served my kid a beer so that was\h
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absolutely the best coolest place to have a\h
concert not necessarily the best acoustics\h\h

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but you know it's not true it's just it's such\h
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it to be it's lane but it's not the easiest\h
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i'll tell you the story but anyway um rob i'd\h
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the people who are drinking in spirit with us\h
right now you uh i've been reading your tweets\h\h

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you're active on twitter uh you seem to know a\h
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did you get into the whole context here okay god\h
i'm 44 now and i started back in the 90s i was\h\h

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an x-file fan to be honest and i've always been\h
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scientific mind myself and i kind of went to\h
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fell back into it about six months ago but it\h
started it was ignited talking to kieran one day\h\h

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we were just talking about roswell we just brought\h
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nut and absolutely loves it i gave me a book\h
started reading it again and ignited my interest\h\h

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in the whole theme and then i joined twitter and i\h
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for sharing information and that's where i am\h
today and uh karen um you're a roswell by the way\h\h

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have you read the was the book witnessed roswell\h
by any chance no i'll tell you what the book is\h\h

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i have the book here which was this one here ah\h
well that's uh don schmidt and kevin and kevin\h\h

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ryan exactly yes yeah and it's one of the first\h
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along with friedman's top secret magic so i'm\h
a big roswell nut myself tell us about yourself\h\h

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and how you got into this well actually how\h
i got into it was actually for my dad because\h\h

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my dad had an experience when he was about seven\h
or eight years old so it would have been 1958\h\h

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1959 so my dad had actually witnessed um an object\h
if you want i can tell you a little bit about it\h\h

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yeah please of course um yeah so my dad was he\h
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in south dublin and what happened him was he was\h
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and my my dad's uncle who um was fixing a bike\h
bicycle in in the back garden um and he heard a\h\h

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very loud humming sound it wasn't like an engine\h
it was more like an electrical home and they\h\h

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turned around and they saw a large object it was\h
it was still this uh like a cylinder not like a\h\h

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saucer but it was as long almost like a needle\h
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my dad's not stupid um wasn't a helicopter\h
wasn't an airplane or anything and they all\h\h

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got such a fright my dad's uncle grabbed him and\h
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which was a log shed and kept him there\h
until this team disappeared my dad was\h\h

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desperately trying to get another glimpse\h
of it but he said this thing was huge and um\h\h

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and around that time he had seen an awful lot\h
of objects in the sky uh he said he used to\h\h

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witness about you know a dozen of these objects\h
flying in the sky they were like giant needles\h\h

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they weren't like airplanes or helicopters he\h
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to call his mother out and she used to see them\h
and it'd be really hot it dropped down really low\h\h

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and you know and you'd always believe your\h
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so i remember having discussion with my dad\h
before you know when i was a kid and this we\h\h

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were talking about you know space and everything\h
and i used to say would you ever believe in you\h\h

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know extraterrestrials says yeah yeah i do and\h
he told me about this story and i was just like\h\h

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wow i was sort of blown away and it just i always\h
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i heard about roswell um i got really interested\h
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a documentary or something i think maybe it was\h
discovery or something and i just it just ignited\h\h

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my interest again and i was talking to my dad\h
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reading it and um you know then things happen in\h
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story whatever children come along and that and\h
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and then i got talking to rob and with myself\h
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be having these conversations and i would\h
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more active on social media now than i would\h
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and um so if you've listened to a lot of your\h
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receptive robert b chapman and i gave him\h
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been interested it's just it's roswell is\h
a very it's just such a massive story um\h\h

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but there's a lot of other stories\h
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but you might what was the year that your father\h
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or 1959 he was around seven or eight years\h
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there's quite a few people who've\h
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sightings off the west irish coast and yeah it's\h
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files this morning because what i'd read about\h
this calvin ufo uh photograph from 1990 and\h\h

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i was correlating that some of the sightings\h
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period 1989 1990 a lot of them are that classic\h
weird beveled triangular shape and um we live\h\h

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in interesting times because you know literally as\h
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this very new development this morning where\h
dr david clark and vinnie from disclosure\h\h

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team and others have published an image of um a\h
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it's states because i've got people from\h
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who've got similar sightings of similar if not\h
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something's been going on yeah if you compare the\h
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my voice and the west of ireland actually has the\h
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france and that's interesting on the west coast\h
so wow really that's interesting yeah yeah\h\h

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hey ross uh the is calvin is that what it's\h
called the california ufo yeah it's true two\h\h

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walkers i hear on the room on the rumor channel\h
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a property illegally but uh there are two\h
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um and as i understand where they were is\h
very close to a a british airbase called\h\h

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machelrish or mechanrish i've forgotten\h
exactly how you say it but it's a very secret\h\h

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aerodrome that the americans have allegedly used\h
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many decades and these two hikers basically\h
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a photograph and negatives of this image that\h
they captured which essentially appears to be\h\h

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and upon their description was a hovering\h
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surrounded actually by at least one or two\h
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that's interesting about the whole story is\h
that there's been a david clarke has done\h\h

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some phenomenal work into the british archives in\h
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i interviewed chris mellom who is as we know the\h
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for intelligence and security and when he was\h
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in this time period in the 1990s there was\h
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to the american government and contemporaneously\h
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about whether or not this was american technology\h
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story whether it is or whether it isn't us tech\h
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some of the five observables it's showing positive\h
lift without any visible means of propulsion\h\h

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and according to the testimony of the the two\h
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extraordinary high velocities shortly after the\h
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that's demonstrating at least one or two of the\h
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anti-gravity positive lift that is extraordinary\h
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uk and us government collaborated in conspiring\h
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30 32 years and now that this issue has come out\h
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was misled because um i know from talking\h
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he he specifically made inquiries as to whether he\h
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black technology in the possession or knowledge\h
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mythically described as the aurora aircraft or\h
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so has congress been misled that's the\h
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news breaking story from david clarke and\h
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an intention to mislead the congress and whether\h
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uh because there were answers to questions on\h
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evasive and it's really interesting i mean again\h
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official uh who was working with the royal\h
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about here is something that in fact is black\h
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and possibly illegally withheld from the knowledge\h
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and uh it really does raise a new question\h
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in possession of either the us or the british\h
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to the bottom of it i'm joining along the dots\h
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all this out because gary nolan mentioned um on\h
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the uk back where the united states air force\h
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i think he was talking about rindelsham um i've\h
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i i i i i think carlson got it wrong he's not\h
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he called her 79 he was wrong it's 1980. it was\h
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pretty sure it was december 1982. i i don't\h
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you're right bryce it was 1980 and the reason why\h
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where the volume of interest and the volume of\h
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well yet but it's enormously significant that this\h
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of that but this is an inordinately important\h
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this photograph was imminent but what's important\h
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why why was there a suppression order issued that\h
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technology which has categorically been denied\h
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technology if this is u.s technology and this\h
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the actual fact of the photograph if this is\h
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been lied to but if there wasn't us technology\h
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been told the truth over the years about some of\h
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kieran and rob what do you guys think is going\h
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you've been listening to the uh podcast karen and\h
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things you've been reading it's enough to make\h
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lay awake in bed at times and think what is really\h
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what's your take what's going on yeah i was down\h
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rabbit hole and look i i would be very scientific\h
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i'd have an evidence-based point of view i i\h
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project going on i think they have technology\h
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another civilization but they definitely have\h
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up more and more and gary nolan seems to be\h
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it under the under the table but it's the likes of\h
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the dots and for what you're saying there ross i\h
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just to emphasize what you're saying there rob\h
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in the context that you're talking about in the\h
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is that there's speculation and there has been for\h
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breathtaking and its implications but if there is\h
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that it was deliberately removed from the control\h
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services and placed into private aerospace as a\h
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accounting office and the various intelligence\h
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the congress and the question has to be asked if\h
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been committed unless there's some presidential\h
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think despite my pessimism in recent years i'm\h
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rolling out what do you think wrong yeah i i think\h
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about you know the close hearings and what does\h
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and whatever evidence they have that is palatable\h
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us i think there's a to be honest i think there's\h
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there's so many dots at the moment that are coming\h
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that there could well be technology from\h
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and again a lot of people cringe when i\h
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did bubbles are hanging around there the the\h
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special access programs yeah we pick up an awful\h
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our story for many many years ago and everyone\h
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i don't know i mean there has to be some sort of\h
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stuck with his story and when he explains his\h
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seen it's uh it's it's it's hard not to it's i\h
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it's sometimes it's just something crazy it's\h
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guys my argument would be 30 years ago back\h
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you know it was it was hard to remember or to\h
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you can get caught up in the lie it gets big and\h
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throughout yeah consistent throughout and the\h
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this guy is not a nut he he i don't know i\h
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case about you know the credence of his education\h
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fascinating and compelling and uh you\h
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i don't see dissembling or evasion or lies\h
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multiple uh lie detector tests although they\h
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that um you know there are aspects of his claimed\h
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any academic documents but um is it possible that\h
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chip on his shoulder about the fact that he didn't\h
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my research who at the time was only prepared to\h
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sr 71 blackbird pilot and he ended up working at\h
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working there but dave basically confirmed that he\h
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travel on the janet airlines plane to area 51 and\h
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which has long been in question so there are\h
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is disinformation designed to discredit someone\h
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clearly been efforts by the us to discredit bob\h
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courts on a quite spurious case of um i think\h
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something like that it was a very weird criminal\h
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whiff of something designed to discredit someone\h
uh i like you rob and kieran i watched the whole\h\h

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been able to independently verify with solid\h
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take lazar more seriously and they've had a go at\h
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one of the reason people like your book so much\h
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at once you you take a look at it you know it's\h
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only one on their second beer okay so uh and i'm\h
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just discounted but today we live in a time where\h
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at those i mean who knows but a lot of that stuff\h
now has to be looked at in a different way because\h\h

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the united states government alone has already\h
said you know we're buying into this stuff so\h\h

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lazar i i listen i'm a big fan of george knapp\h
he's a tremendous reporter and i take take it\h\h

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seriously that he believes so clearly in\h
the lazar story so i give it a lot of uh\h\h

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credence and credibility but again we won't know\h
until we know and and i believe it's possible\h\h

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that in a disclosure environment we are going to\h
learn something about the bob lazars of the world\h\h

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i'd love to know rob and kieran what you guys\h
think i i i don't want to sound like an apologist\h\h

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for the military in the intelligence community but\h
i i've tried to sort of put myself in the position\h\h

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of a president or a head of the armed forces in\h
the united states who's become aware let's assume\h\h

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hypothetically that the us did recover something\h
at roswell and other crashes in in the period from\h\h

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1947 and let's assume that there has been a back\h
engineering reverse engineering effort underway\h\h

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for you know all of 75 years minimum if that's\h
the case i think i would have kept it secret\h\h

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and if necessary as president i would have gone\h
to great efforts to make sure that it did evade\h\h

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the scrutiny of much of congress because let's be\h
brutally honest congress leaks you know congress\h\h

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can't keep its mouth shut yeah that's true and and\h
i think you know if you look at roswell um america\h\h

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had just gone through world war ii and they've\h
just gone through well roswell had just been\h\h

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we had been used for testing nuclear we just\h
dropped bombs on nuclear nuclear bombs on\h\h

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japan so at that time and america just\h
just just recovered from world war ii so\h\h

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i just with your if you would\h
recover that type of machinery and\h\h

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you're not going to want to disclose it to your\h
your enemies or other countries you're going to\h\h

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want to look at it and analyze it and and see how\h
you could use it for your benefits so definitely

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you know not only would they want to analyze\h
it to see if they could look find a benefit\h\h

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for themselves i think there's either some\h
there's something else that may be the super\h\h

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explanation which is they weren't sure at\h
all what it was right and that was true at\h\h

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the time and they probably figured well we need\h
to study this stuff we need to figure out what\h\h

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we're dealing with and eventually this is going\h
to get out i always thought they might think at\h\h

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roswell will we've got a few years we can probably\h
keep this contained for a few years we kept hitler\h\h

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from understanding where we were going to have the\h
d-day invasion maybe we can use some of that stuff\h\h

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and try to keep this but i don't think any of the\h
architects of secrecy from those years would would\h\h

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could even comprehend if they were alive today\h
that this thing had kept on so long but the only\h\h

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one thing i wanted to just run back to for you\h
two guys it isn't just the united states in fact\h\h

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the fact that ross and i have this podcast\h
is a an example of what we're trying to say\h\h

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visually verbally in every way we can it's a\h
global phenomenon all right it's not just the\h\h

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united states it's not just anybody i mean what\h
we talked about today ross has got this british\h\h

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case that he was talking about with the with the\h
photo um you know yes the united states has been\h\h

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deeply in the thick of it but not the only ones\h
so i just wanted to ask you guys do you have\h\h

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any specific uh information about how the irish\h
government has looked at this issue over the years

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gosh you know well karen do you\h
want to go first you know what\h\h

364
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just say for instance right my dad had reported\h
that case i'd say if he had because he wouldn't\h\h

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have even had a phone back then he\h
would have to cycle to the village\h\h

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phone the police they'd probably say\h
look we've sent someone down on a bicycle\h\h

367
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there just wouldn't have been anything to\h
be honest with you um no i think back then\h\h

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the irish government would be in serious laxatives\h
what does the irish government think today

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i don't think they would really that\h
you wouldn't have the capabilities to\h\h

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be honest with you we don't have experts in\h
any any field we don't our minister of health\h\h

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would not have been an expert in health you\h
know our defense would not be a minister in\h\h

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defense we're too small we don't have\h
the expertise everything has to be\h\h

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um we need third-party expertise basically i\h
think there's a general fascination with the\h\h

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whole subject in itself and i think my my mate\h
gordon who couldn't be here tonight he's been\h\h

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in touch with jeremy uh back and forth because\h
they interviewed jeremy on an irish television\h\h

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recently just to bring the subject matter to the\h
irish public and kind of to remove that stigma\h\h

377
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and that goes back to what you were saying ross\h
there like the removal of the tin foil hats it's\h\h

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beyond the fringe now it's not starting\h
to go into media and talking to friends\h\h

379
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of mine i think there's a bit of a stigma\h
in ireland when it comes to stuff like that

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i think that's fading i think that's starting\h
to disappear though it is but back in the day\h\h

381
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it was like you know i mean my my uncle my oh\h
sorry my granddad was a farmer and i'd say to\h\h

382
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him you ever see a ghost in the field or an\h
apparition he said the only thing i saw i've\h\h

383
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never seen anything worse than myself in a field\h
and if you saw something you were reader coming\h\h

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back from the poverty in the morning you had too\h
much guinness you know and people just laughed off

385
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can i throw something in the mix\h
here is one of the things that when\h\h

386
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when bryce and i were talking about the ghost\h
rockets in the 1940s you know the ghost rockets\h\h

387
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that were seen across scandinavia yeah i\h
was contacted by a guy from county kildare\h\h

388
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in the republic of ireland called adrian meaney\h
i'm sure he wouldn't mind me using his name\h\h

389
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and he had done some great work where he dug\h
out some old department of defense and ireland\h\h

390
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files that showed that in july 1947 there were\h
sightings of ghost rockets all over ireland\h\h

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and uh that's interesting and and basically um\h
wow there was a a story that ended up in the um\h\h

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the irish times but but basically there were i\h
think there were priests who'd seen these weird\h\h

393
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ghost rockets they occurred not just in poland and\h
the mediterranean but he let me know that in the\h\h

394
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irish ufo files there were flying disc reports\h
from july 1947 and a rocket article witnessed\h\h

395
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in two locations independently by three irish\h
priests and he sent me some of the reports and\h\h

396
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they included statements from the priests about\h
what they'd seen and the fascinating thing was\h\h

397
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you know it was reported but as often happens a\h
bit like happened in new zealand where i grew up\h\h

398
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these things were just basically ignored and\h
buried because i think everybody found it so\h\h

399
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uncomfortable yeah just like they did the\h
the marines so just like the us military\h\h

400
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i mean they've only just started to develop an\h
infrastructure where you can report it up and and\h\h

401
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collect the data we don't have the infrastructure\h
to collect the data i'm sure we have things flying\h\h

402
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over us i mean they said that the stats out\h
there suggest that we do have the highest\h\h

403
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level of sightings people are talking about them\h
we don't have the infrastructure to capture it\h\h

404
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and take it the way the united states or the\h
larger the five eyes are are capturing the data\h\h

405
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so it's it's like we're caught in the middle\h
you know there's one other connection though\h\h

406
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that we should make to to ireland i mean if you\h
take a look at what jacques valet and people uh\h\h

407
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who have been trying to come at this from another\h
point of view they have said that when you\h\h

408
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specifically about sightings and abductions that\h
a lot of the stuff that is now attributed to the\h\h

409
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sort of the ufo alien explanation has been\h
going on for centuries and thousands of years\h\h

410
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specifically in places like your own country\h
gentlemen where there were reports of fairies\h\h

411
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and gnomes and all kinds of things right so i\h
just wonder if you have any thoughts about that\h\h

412
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because clearly you know people are referencing\h
your country as a place where you know maybe\h\h

413
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these weren't all fairies maybe these weren't all\h
mythical kind of things maybe there was something\h\h

414
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going on have you ever thought about that issue\h
me big time newgrange is a massive thing for me\h\h

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newgrange is 2 000 years before christ and they\h
will manage to be able to figure out where the sun\h\h

416
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rose and where it came in at a certain point\h
of day where i was able to open up the chamber\h\h

417
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i mean where did they find the science to be able\h
to figure that out then you look at the pyramids\h\h

418
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where do they get the engineering to do that\h
it's it's crazy it's absolutely crazy so in\h\h

419
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terms of newgrange i'm like maybe like there's so\h
many theories out there there's so many different\h\h

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hypothesis like put off ultra terrestrial\h
hypothesis and i find that fascinating you know\h\h

421
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you look at the the ufo crash there in roswell\h
is it a crash is technology that's so good it's\h\h

422
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going to crash or was it left there left there to\h
be discovered but you you mean something else did\h\h

423
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you mean like missing persons or mythology\h
or what was that was that what you meant or\h\h

424
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yeah yeah exactly that's what i\h
was talking about yeah can i just

425
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the thing i find fascinating\h
about newgrange is that it's\h\h

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older than the egyptian pyramids and stonehenge

427
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maybe just tell our listeners and\h
our viewers what you know about it\h\h

428
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new grains it's in county mead it's a neolithic\h
tomb and neo meaning new life i think i could\h\h

429
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be wrong and on the there's a capstone on the\h
outside of newgrange and it's a burial tomb\h\h

430
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and it's it's a circle with one chamber\h
going through it and it's where they bury\h\h

431
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their dead to to be worshipped kind of like the\h
um pyramids and during the winter solstice the\h\h

432
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the sun would rise and it would beam in through\h
the chamber and light up the whole chamber\h\h

433
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and for something that's 2 000 years older than\h
the pyramids to know where the sun would rise\h\h

434
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at that moment in time to you know illuminate\h
the chamber is amazing it's one day a year it's\h\h

435
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amazing and they have these circles that don't\h
it doesn't end it's a continuous circle so that\h\h

436
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represents life life is ongoing continuous\h
it's like a trinity design yes uh gentlemen\h\h

437
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we um we live in the world of regulations we got\h
about five minutes here so what i want to do is\h\h

438
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i want to throw it to you guys what do you uh is\h
there something you want to say do you want to ask\h\h

439
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:48,400
ross or myself anything what you know what make it\h
your own here you got five minutes what do we what\h\h

440
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:53,840
do what do you want to get out here yeah well just\h
just quickly i mean there's we always talk about\h\h

441
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roswell and i know but um there's been reports of\h
so many crash sites and i'm just wondering do you\h\h

442
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guys know of any other details about that and i\h
have specifics because i have also a little book\h\h

443
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called dark object and it's about shag harbor\h
i'm not sure if you've heard about that one\h\h

444
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absolutely shag harbor yeah also i've heard\h
of two crash sites in brazil and another one\h\h

445
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another boat because i said i got a little buzz\h
on the books at one stage another one in brazil\h\h

446
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and it just seems to be so many crash sites but\h
so little detail in the media or social media\h\h

447
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well i'd be i'd be keeping an eye out for james\h
fox our good friend and colleague james fox's\h\h

448
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forthcoming film um because he's been in brazil\h
and we know he's been investigating it's the how\h\h

449
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do you say it bryce i i think vargina i i mean\h
i you and i have probably screwed it up in more\h\h

450
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innovative ways than anyone i know\h
but uh let's go with vargina right now\h\h

451
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and um i got really fascinated with the um aztec\h
uh alleged crash uh with scott and susan ramsey uh\h\h

452
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in new mexico because that that's fascinating\h
and um i mean i think roswell has largely been um\h\h

453
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given a large degree of the prominence and\h
and largely because i think u.s air force\h\h

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did its own investigation and i mean i've\h
been no doubt whatsoever that there was a\h\h

455
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cover-up with roswell and that there probably was\h
something other than a weather balloon retrieved\h\h

456
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but just exactly what that was is still to me\h
at least a formal mystery but yeah i mean there\h\h

457
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are there's a there's a cluster of alleged crashes\h
including as i've recently discovered a couple of\h\h

458
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alleged incidents in australia that\h
i'm investigating at the moment\h\h

459
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karen i'd be interested in your your since\h
you've you seem to have dialed in on the\h\h

460
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crash issue my question for you is the question\h
that we get asked a lot people say well if these\h\h

461
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aliens or whoever they are are so smart and so\h
technically proficient why are they building\h\h

462
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things that are crashing what's your take on that\h
what's your answer when when friends ask you that\h\h

463
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well i have never actually even asked that but\h
yeah but it's an interesting question i mean\h\h

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if i go back to roswell i've no idea how\h
or why they would have crashed i've just\h\h

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i've no take on it to be honest with you\h
i really don't um and the fact that if\h\h

466
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you know just to go off sorry just off\h
subject but when you talk about um say the\h\h

467
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the nimitz the tic tac um ufos where um i can't\h
remember the name of the guy that was on twitter

468
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he was saying that they were there a long time\h
okay yeah how are they there a long time like how\h\h

469
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are they fueled to be here so such a long time\h
like he said they could be there like decades\h\h

470
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so how are they being fueled and if there's\h
something inside them how are they surviving that\h\h

471
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that'd be my sort of my thinking your your answer\h
to the question is more questions because i know\h\h

472
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i know but i think they're crazy it's hard to\h
know how they're crashing you know it could\h\h

473
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be atmospheric it could be it could be anything\h
to be honest with you related you have a theory

474
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apparently it's element 115 that is that is\h
you know the means of fuel to propose these\h\h

475
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things into negative gravity at 180 degrees but\h
i don't know maybe maybe these guys want us to\h\h

476
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leave us a bit of technology to to work on and\h
it's like there you go it's like what did they\h\h

477
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say what did bob lazar say it's like dropping\h
a uh i don't know a ferrari in in the 1800s and\h\h

478
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saying there you go there's the keys have a go\h
and see if you can work it out yeah but that's\h\h

479
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what it is maybe it's a process of evolution\h
but i have one question for bryce actually\h\h

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if you don't mind no please bryce are you familiar\h
with the memo of davis wilson memo yes oh yeah\h\h

481
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so i i for you can you can correct me from\h
wrong but i i believe it was was it wilson\h\h

482
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that mentioned that abductions were just a farce\h
and i don't know but i'm interested in on because\h\h

483
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i know you've done extensive research on on\h
barney yeah burning hills abduction and betty\h\h

484
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what what is your take on that do you think these\h
abductions are real and what for what reason well\h\h

485
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i think i think you have to say that well first\h
of all you have to define real um they're real\h\h

486
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in that some something has happened to somebody\h
that they're reporting in in that way okay so\h\h

487
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on betty and barney specifically it seems pretty\h
clear just from listening to them describe it\h\h

488
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and and what they went through in the immediate\h
aftermath that that night they did see something\h\h

489
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that was pretty extraordinary all right and i'm\h
well now where it came from what it was who knows\h\h

490
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,520
then you get into level two with betty and\h
barney which is the stuff that they said\h\h

491
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:04,400
uh under hypnosis and you know there\h
is division of opinion and certainly\h\h

492
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:11,520
this story they tell is not you know uh consistent\h
with everything that every other abductee has ever\h\h

493
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:19,120
said um i think abductions are the hardest part of\h
this thing right now to be honest with you rob we\h\h

494
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:25,600
we have no consensus yet on whether there's\h
even craft so the idea of abductions but um\h\h

495
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:32,400
if if abductions are in fact an authentic\h
thing that would explain a great amount of\h\h

496
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:37,440
why people are so cautious about wanting\h
to disclose what's really going on because\h\h

497
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:43,280
uh if if abductions are going on in some way\h
shape or form and the governments of the world\h\h

498
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:49,840
can't stop them well that's not something they\h
probably want to talk about um i mean i i i\h\h

499
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:57,840
i if i had to bet and ross and i may even disagree\h
on this i don't i don't know where he comes down\h\h

500
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:04,080
if i had to bet i'd say the betty and\h
barney case is an authentic case um however\h\h

501
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:10,640
i'm able as a skeptic to come up with alternate\h
uh explanations for betty and barney and i'll\h\h

502
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:16,480
just give you one and move on but one of\h
them is they were on vacation in montreal\h\h

503
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:22,880
uh on their honeymoon and montreal in 1961 when\h
betty and barney were there was the home of mk\h\h

504
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:30,000
ultra the military's mind control program i'm\h
not saying that i know any direct connection but\h\h

505
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:36,960
there it is that's a possibility and and if you're\h
trying to pick people uh to experiment on uh who\h\h

506
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:42,960
won't go running to the press uh an interracial\h
couple in america in 1961 would be a pretty good\h\h

507
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:48,720
couple to pick on so no matter how i come down on\h
on that one yeah i agree and i like the fact that\h\h

508
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:54,720
you mentioned that they experienced something\h
yeah and i think well i mean it's really i mean\h\h

509
00:52:54,720 --> 00:53:02,080
to listen to the hypnosis tapes is extraordinary\h
and and powerful but again it was after the fact\h\h

510
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:08,240
betty had been having dreams she obviously wanted\h
to believe barney didn't want to believe um you\h\h

511
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:14,640
know i'm not saying that married couples can't\h
transfer impressions about what they think about\h\h

512
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:20,400
things to each other obviously they can i mean at\h
least i'm married i my wife transfers a lot to me\h\h

513
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:28,400
so i mean who knows i mean uh but but i look\h
forward to a disclosure environment in the next\h\h

514
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:34,640
few years that takes on the the sort of the the\h
military and the national security and the things\h\h

515
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:41,520
flying in the sky aspect and as disclosure goes\h
on there are documents that we have not seen there\h\h

516
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:46,320
may be a betty and barney hill document hidden\h
away someplace that may explain all this someday\h\h

517
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:54,000
can i ask one question yeah for both of\h
you yeah i'm karen do you think 2023 it's\h\h

518
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,480
a two-part question do you think 2023 is going to\h
be the year for disclosure and if so are we ready

519
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:06,800
russ you go um i do think that there are\h
going to be major revelations even before 2023\h\h

520
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:13,840
i think there is i've just come back from the us\h
and i think there is a momentum in the us congress\h\h

521
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:22,320
where i'm super impressed by the resolution of\h
key figures in the congress and the senate and the\h\h

522
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:29,840
house of reps to basically get this issue brought\h
before committees at least in private hearing\h\h

523
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:39,840
where witnesses are deposed and i'm aware of moves\h
to get key witnesses before the congress i know\h\h

524
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:45,120
just recently of course kevin day has flagged\h
that he's about to be be called to come before\h\h

525
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:51,680
i think the senate armed services committee\h
but i'm aware also of other key people none\h\h

526
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:57,760
of whom anyone knows the names of who are being\h
approached to give evidence about things that i\h\h

527
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:03,440
think if they are given an opportunity to testify\h
even if it's in a preliminary private hearing\h\h

528
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:11,200
will be momentous and um uh i i can't guarantee\h
that it'll happen in 2022 but i suspect it will\h\h

529
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:18,000
definitely happen in 2023. part of the issue\h
frankly is that there's been so much time\h\h

530
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:23,680
and resources dedicated to the sixth january\h
hearings about the insurrection against the\h\h

531
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:30,080
congress that um it's been very hard to to get\h
the media to focus on anything else but i i think\h\h

532
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:35,040
also frankly speaking of somebody who works in\h
the mainstream media i i think also that what\h\h

533
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:42,640
you might see in 2023 is the beginning of the\h
begrudging acknowledgement by the mainstream\h\h

534
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:47,840
media the legacy media that they have completely\h
failed to cover this issue properly up till now\h\h

535
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:53,760
and you're going to see an engagement like this\h
never before especially because the congress will\h\h

536
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:58,960
leak if there are private hearings where witnesses\h
are deposed and we know that there already have\h\h

537
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:03,920
been i i think that eventually that evidence is\h
going to make its way to the national security and\h\h

538
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:10,080
defense reporters in washington in new york in l.a\h
and eventually it'll start getting written about\h\h

539
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:19,360
okay yeah um well you're a lucky man uh rob\h
because uh you've caught me on my second beer\h\h

540
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:25,600
and um i'm i'm probably more willing to be a\h
little here's the thing uh you know i wrote a book\h\h

541
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:33,440
to you my friend even if it's a bud light\h
you know i wrote a book with richard dolan\h\h

542
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:40,240
about disclosure all right that's right um so i\h
would define big d disclosure as when somebody\h\h

543
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:46,000
official says something that comes steps up to the\h
line of we're not alone i don't care if it's the\h\h

544
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:51,840
pope or the president or the prime minister\h
right when somebody official is willing to\h\h

545
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:57,840
say that out loud that's big d disclosure for\h
me we're clearly in a period of confirmation\h\h

546
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:05,840
sliding into small d disclosure right now i think\h
we're going to have the twilight period of 2023\h\h

547
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:14,480
2024 of this small d um an accretion of of things\h
like ross bringing up the calvin thing every day\h\h

548
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:20,240
every month there's going to be something new and\h
and people that are wired into it as you are and\h\h

549
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:25,280
probably people who are watching this are going\h
to feel like disclosure has happened but the rest\h\h

550
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:30,720
of the population will not share this opinion\h
i i think the presidential election is a pretty\h\h

551
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:37,360
big deal and so therefore um i i think it may\h
come up in presidential debates as a question\h\h

552
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:44,960
uh which would be groundbreaking um but i think\h
2025 is when i feel like big d disclosure may be\h\h

553
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:52,160
sort of in in the works um and and and i and but\h
you but i think the second part of your question\h\h

554
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:58,240
is the interesting one can we handle it and and\h
rich dolan and i spent an entire year thinking\h\h

555
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:03,920
about that and more people are talking about it\h
now than ever before and and i guess the only\h\h

556
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:09,360
good answer is what ross and i came up with uh i\h
think just last week on our episode it's like can\h\h

557
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:15,200
they handle it well i don't know but they're going\h
to have to i mean you know where it's it's coming\h\h

558
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:20,640
some something is coming and we're we haven't\h
yet figured out exactly how we'll handle it and\h\h

559
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:27,360
partly the reason is it depends on what disclosure\h
is if you just disclose to me that some friendly\h\h

560
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:34,160
alien scientists are buzzing around in the skies\h
and and taking some samples of flora and fauna\h\h

561
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:39,920
i think people would be okay i'm on with my life\h
but if you disclose what your previous question\h\h

562
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:46,080
was which is human beings have been abducted and\h
experimented on and the government can't do a\h\h

563
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:54,320
thing about that well that's different as they\h
say so i i but i do think we are in a radical\h\h

564
00:58:54,320 --> 00:59:02,000
uh changing time and and uh if we were to do this\h
thing again in two years it'd be pretty shocking\h\h

565
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:06,400
can i just add something to that i i think\h
in in light of the culture that we're we're\h\h

566
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:11,680
living in at the moment the world is smaller\h
we're more materialistic and you know at the\h\h

567
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:16,400
end of the day i think how we're at comes\h
down to how much is this going to affect us\h\h

568
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:24,240
you how are you going to react exactly how\h
would your family react are you married yes

569
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:32,000
she she was down to rabbit hole on this for\h
years and she said to me i i told her everything\h\h

570
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,600
about the nimitz and all the scientific\h
stuff she goes yes so what so what\h\h

571
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,840
is it affecting me no i still have to pay my bills

572
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:47,200
it's a good answer i think that's uh listen guys\h
this has been uh super fun and uh probably the\h\h

573
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:52,400
first of others that we'll do and i'll\h
even pick a different beer next time um\h\h

574
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,920
but i didn't want to pick the most\h
popular i thought that was that was a good\h\h

575
00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:00,720
good thing that the aliens might not be\h
not bad and and listen uh uh ross and i\h\h

576
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:06,160
want to thank rob sheridan and karen corcoran\h
because this was this was really fun and um and\h\h

577
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:12,560
you know uh obviously we want to thank you rob\h
because you were the guy that actually said\h\h

578
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:20,480
i'm gonna actually try to to do what this silly\h
contest was all about i'm drinking to you let's\h\h